[identity profile] neutralalienist.livejournal.com 2010-07-29 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Spike: would go on a killing spree. And also shopping spree. Possibly at the same time.

(I have a Theory about his quest for a soul: it wasn't actually for a soul, not specifically. He just wanted to be one thing or another, not stuck in the middle. He thought it would be simpler than it really was, that getting the chip out would make killing Buffy easy, or that getting a soul would automatically make him good - for the world, for her. Except it doesn't work like that.

I could ramble here about psychology and morality and what a soul seems to ultimately mean in this universe but no one wants that.

Suffice to say, without a soul, Spike suddenly has no idea why he should feel bad about slaughtering a bunch of strangers, or what was so important about having one in the first place.)

Angel: would notice first but I chose Spike anyway, because it's my ship, yo. :p I do wonder, though, if Spike would realise or if he was just talking out his ass. He certainly didn't realise the reverse in China, but then he was a bit distracted. Of course, then there was the submarine...

Buffy: lost her rocket launcher. :( Miss Kitty is taking good care of it, though.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-07-29 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
that getting the chip out would make killing Buffy easy

Except he's been over killing Buffy ever since he fell in love with her. The chip didn't create those feelings. And he could've killed her all throughout Season 6 ever since the first moment he could hit her. So... that really doesn't make sense to me. He didn't need to go on a soulquest to kill Buffy.

I agree about him being caught in between states. Can't be a monster, can't be a man. But his going on the soulquest wouldn't make him a monster again. He'd already changed himself past the point of being a monster through his actions for the past two years. The chip never stopped him from being a monster. Spike changed himself.
Edited 2010-07-29 14:04 (UTC)

[identity profile] neutralalienist.livejournal.com 2010-07-29 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's why I said 'thought'. I think he figured that if he was allowed to truly be a monster again, he could lose those feelings, it could just be vampire vs Slayer again. It wouldn't have worked, certainly.

I don't think Spike stopped being a monster, per se? The chip forced him to interact with certain humans on a level beyond fun and food, and he was able to connect to them in a way he usually wouldn't. I think the attempted rape was the first time he truly felt any guilt, and that's what really scared the hell out of him, pushed him over the edge in to needing to make a change, one way or another.

I wish we'd been able to see him continue struggle with that without the soul, really.

[identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com 2010-07-29 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm curious, how would getting the chip out have made it easier to kill Buffy?

[identity profile] neutralalienist.livejournal.com 2010-07-29 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It wouldn't, really. I think he hoped it would - that allowing him to be a monster would set their relationship back to the way it was. The way it should be. All of the hate and none of the love. He might even convince himself he could fight to kill on the way back. And then, of course, when they finally met face to face? No.