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deird_lj ([personal profile] deird_lj) wrote2010-06-15 11:43 am
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humour barriers

You know, it’s really quite hard to introduce people to a show by watching funny episodes.


Take BtVS. If you decide to show someone all the really great episodes, that they absolutely must watch, it’s fairly simple to come up with a list. (For the record – no matter who you ask, you’ll get at least five of the following suggestions: Hush, Once More With Feeling, Fool For Love, The Body, The Gift, Conversations With Dead People, Restless, Becoming, and Normal Again. Every time.)

Funny episodes, though?


I’ve seen people trying to get their friends into Buffy by saying “Hey, we should watch Something Blue! That episode’s hilarious!” And I sit there and think “Well, yeah, it is. But why?”

…because Something Blue is brilliant and very fun. Mostly because Buffy and Spike are together – which they’d never do, and it’s so funny watching them acting in such a silly, out-of-character way.

It’s extremely fun. If you’ve seen them being normal in other episodes.


The Zeppo? Really fun parody of the normal angsty-saving-the-world that the show does.

…which is hilarious, if you know what they’re making fun of.


And Superstar? Brilliant episode. Which completely loses its appeal if you don’t know how weird the situation actually is.


The same seems to be true of a lot of shows, actually. The best funny episodes are side-splittingly hilarious… and rely on the viewers knowing exactly what things are like in the not-so-funny episodes.

Which means the new viewers end up going “Meh. Can’t really see the appeal…” and waltzing off to watch more Days Of Our Lives instead…

[identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
And as someone with no sense of humour? You could NEVER get me to watch a show by encouraging me to watch the funny episodes.


Gabrielle
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[personal profile] snickfic 2010-06-15 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Except, a lot of those other fabulous eps have the same problem. OMWF, FFL, Restless - great TV, there's no denying, but context is a whole lot of the greatness. Restless, in particular - I can't fathom why anyone would show that to a n00b. It depends on four full years of previous TV plus foreshadowing for the next. OMWF certainly appeals intrinsically, but nothing has a lot of impact without the context of the rest of the season. FFL is fabulous enough on its own, I suppose, but part of why it hit me so hard the first time was the contrast with everything else I knew about Spike. I'd be really sad for anyone who saw that without knowing evil!Spike first.

Even The Gift and Becoming are culminations of season-long arcs, and that previous momentum is part of what makes them great.

(I have no idea why anyone would recommend CWDP to a newcomer, but I've never been as enamored of it as most folks.)

Now that I've been all cranky about people's choices, I'm trying to think what good intro eps are.

It turns out The Initiative is a pretty good intro. It's funny but not so much in the in-joke sense you're talking about, it's action-oriented, it's the main intro to three major season elements: Riley/Buffy, the Initiative, and Spike's chip. (I actually discovered this by sheer fortuosity: it's what I felt like watching the day the housemate offered to watch an episode.)
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[personal profile] next_to_normal 2010-06-15 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Except, a lot of those other fabulous eps have the same problem.

Agreed. Of the eps [livejournal.com profile] deird1 listed, the only one I think I'd show to a newbie is "Hush." "The Initiative" is a good one, too.

What about "Halloween"? Or "Harsh Light of Day"? Otherwise, I am pretty stumped.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2010-06-15 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe "Fear Itself"? "School Hard" seems to be a popular choice, and I decided to go the route of skipping S1 with someone, it's where I'd start.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
This is so true. And also insightful. And also, I assume, inspired by the LOGO list of top episodes? Btw, the thread on whedonesque for that is making me mad, so I'm staying away.

In my opinion, really great humor is character-driven. It's funny if you know the characters and their relationships and their quirks and their situation. The more character-dependent humor is, the more I'm going to like it. Which is why the list of sitcoms I love is very, very short. Most sitcoms either A) go for the joke first, character second or B) don't have that great of characters to begin with, just stereotypes.

Character pwns all.

[identity profile] menomegirl.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm. If I made a "funniest" list, I'd be...

1.Pangs
2.Tabula Rasa
3.Band Candy
4.Life Serial
5.Him

The Zeppo, Something Blue & Superstar might make honorable mention. Those three episode had some very amusing moments but nothing really laugh-out-loud funny to me.
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[personal profile] next_to_normal 2010-06-15 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
"Pangs" is definitely on my funniest list, too, but I figured it might be confusing to show to a newbie, since they'd be wondering why that blond dude is tied to a chair and who the weird lurky guy is. :)

[identity profile] menomegirl.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Uh huh, I agree with you. I really don't think any of the episodes I picked would be good to try to draw a newbie in.

[identity profile] peroxidepirate.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
This is a very interesting insight, and one I've run into when I tried to introduce non-Buffy-fanatic fans to the show.

I had a lack of success getting someone started on OMWF, too, because she couldn't see what was so awesome about these people singing.

My pick for the best humorous episode to show a newbie is "Life Serial," and not just because it's one of my all-time favorites. There's enough situational humor -- Buffy's repeating time in the magic shop, anyone? -- that's funny even without much context.

[identity profile] roccondilrinon.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
If I were introducing someone to Angel, I'd show them the last few episodes of Season 2. Just for gits and shiggles.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2010-06-15 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
This is very true. Thinking about my favorite funny episodes of other shows, they're really only funny if you know the characters and the world, and *why* that's funny.

[identity profile] empresspatti.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I thought Band Candy was brilliant.
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[identity profile] glorious-pancake-morning.blogspot.com (from livejournal.com) 2010-06-15 09:29 am (UTC)(link)
Mmmm. One of the funniest episodes (and the saddest, of course), and one of my very favourite episodes in the entire series, is Tabula Rasa.
"Hey! ...I mean, heyyyy."
"Randy Giles!!?"
"Oh, Rupie."

And that look on Tara's face.

But it's the embodiment of everything you're saying. It's only funny when YOU know who they really are, even though they don't.
It's only sad when you know the true extent of Willow's betrayal.
"Goodbye to you" still makes me cry!
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[personal profile] shapinglight 2010-06-15 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'd pick Band Candy. I think it's hilarious and there's enough in it for people to laugh at who aren't familiar with the show.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too.
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[personal profile] debris4spike 2010-06-15 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I so agree with you over Something Blue - that's why I think it's my favourite episdoe ... sorry, but The Zeppo is at the opposite end of my scale - Good thing we are all different!

[identity profile] ohwaluvusbab.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Word on Something Blue. I watched that with a non-Buffy fan one time and her response throughout was "... Yep. Okay."

[identity profile] treadingthedark.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I got a bunch of people sucked in with Halloween. I got another couple with Harsh Light of Day. And one, believe it or not, with Beer Bad. Not on purpose, just happened to be on!

[identity profile] arysani.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Amen. Same with "West Wing". That was how I was introduced, and I could care less, because it's all about CONTEXT. (Years I later investigated on my own & found it BRILLIANT, but not the point)

I saw the musical ep long long before I watched the show start to finish, and thought I liked certain things and certain characters. Only to rewatch it a couple of years later and go "DAMN THIS IS DEPRESSING...also, that 'ship skeeves me out."

Context, baby. All the good writers use it to make the funnies.

[identity profile] gg-83.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the first episode of Buffy I watched was when I happened to catch Triangle on TV, and the funny bits struck me as annoying and stupid, and I didn't realize that there were some bits with deliberate overacting and ridiculousness for the lulz, so I was wondering what people saw in the show. I didn't really watch Buffy again for ages, but then when a friend re-introduced me to it, I quickly got hooked. (For the record, we watched Gingerbread first, as sort of a light introductory episode, and then School Hard. YES.)