Romantic Silence
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deird_ljSo, along with the whole enemies in love thing, I think I've figured out another thing that turns me into a rabid shipper...
At least one of the pair cannot say "I love you".
It can be because they've never said it before, because they're completely screwed up, because they've had bad experiences saying it in the past, or because there's an excellent external reason (...such as being in a relationship with someone else) why they can't.
But, for whatever reason, they can't talk about "love".
This is true for most of the people I love seeing in relationships: House (with Cuddy), Mal Reynolds (with Inara), Aeryn Sun (with Crichton), Wes (with Lilah, or with Fred), Angel (with Darla), and (sorry, old-style Who fans) the Doctor (with Rose).
All those people have major issues - with relationships in general, and especially with this whole "I love you" thing.
The same is also true of Niles Crane (how do you tell someone you love her when you're both in relationships with other people?), Sam Carter (stupid military and its stupid rules), and Jack in While You Were Sleeping (when the woman you love is engaged to your brother).
And it's definitely true for Buffy Summers.
It's weird, because along with the whole thing of loving characters who can't talk about love, I get really annoyed when characters do.
And, in Lie To Me, we have this conversation:
"Do you love me?"
"I love you. I'm not sure I trust you."
...which was supposed to be all deep and meaningful, but was slightly marred by the fact that as soon as Buffy said "I love you" I started yelling at the screen: "Hah! You do not, you silly silly person!"
This isn't because I don't like Buffy/Angel. My reaction would pretty much have been the same no matter who the couple was.
I'm so very used to dealing with couples who won't say anything, and looking for subtle actions, gestures, facial expressions, pauses, and so on, that a blatant statement of "I love you" leaves me not believing a word they say.
Whereas, in the case of Buffy/Spike...
I have no problem whatsoever with Spike constantly running around trying to convince Buffy he's in love with her. One person in the relationship doing that is fine, as long as the other one...
um...
kisses him, tells him she trusts him more than anyone else, hangs out in his crypt, kisses him some more, has very exciting sex with him, keeps trying to break up with him and then changing her mind, gets jealous of him, looks after him, talks to him, feeds him, rescues him, depends on him, spends hours cuddling him, refuses to be without him, protects him, has every single person who sees them together commenting on how much they're into each other and how "hot" they are together and how much they rely on each other...
...and still can't bring herself to actually mention that she might possibly maybe be in love with him.
And really, they did an excellent job of making me all shippy. Had Buffy said "I love you" to Spike earlier on, it would have provoked the same reaction as the whole Buffy/Angel thing: "Hah! You moron! Of course you don't love him! You're still in love with Riley!"
...okay, not Riley.
But you get the point.
Whereas, by having Buffy not say anything, over and over, until the very last episode, the writers ensured that I would keep shipping Buffy/Spike pretty much forever.
Clever, clever writers.
Questions? Comments?
At least one of the pair cannot say "I love you".
It can be because they've never said it before, because they're completely screwed up, because they've had bad experiences saying it in the past, or because there's an excellent external reason (...such as being in a relationship with someone else) why they can't.
But, for whatever reason, they can't talk about "love".
This is true for most of the people I love seeing in relationships: House (with Cuddy), Mal Reynolds (with Inara), Aeryn Sun (with Crichton), Wes (with Lilah, or with Fred), Angel (with Darla), and (sorry, old-style Who fans) the Doctor (with Rose).
All those people have major issues - with relationships in general, and especially with this whole "I love you" thing.
The same is also true of Niles Crane (how do you tell someone you love her when you're both in relationships with other people?), Sam Carter (stupid military and its stupid rules), and Jack in While You Were Sleeping (when the woman you love is engaged to your brother).
And it's definitely true for Buffy Summers.
It's weird, because along with the whole thing of loving characters who can't talk about love, I get really annoyed when characters do.
And, in Lie To Me, we have this conversation:
"Do you love me?"
"I love you. I'm not sure I trust you."
...which was supposed to be all deep and meaningful, but was slightly marred by the fact that as soon as Buffy said "I love you" I started yelling at the screen: "Hah! You do not, you silly silly person!"
This isn't because I don't like Buffy/Angel. My reaction would pretty much have been the same no matter who the couple was.
I'm so very used to dealing with couples who won't say anything, and looking for subtle actions, gestures, facial expressions, pauses, and so on, that a blatant statement of "I love you" leaves me not believing a word they say.
Whereas, in the case of Buffy/Spike...
I have no problem whatsoever with Spike constantly running around trying to convince Buffy he's in love with her. One person in the relationship doing that is fine, as long as the other one...
um...
kisses him, tells him she trusts him more than anyone else, hangs out in his crypt, kisses him some more, has very exciting sex with him, keeps trying to break up with him and then changing her mind, gets jealous of him, looks after him, talks to him, feeds him, rescues him, depends on him, spends hours cuddling him, refuses to be without him, protects him, has every single person who sees them together commenting on how much they're into each other and how "hot" they are together and how much they rely on each other...
...and still can't bring herself to actually mention that she might possibly maybe be in love with him.
And really, they did an excellent job of making me all shippy. Had Buffy said "I love you" to Spike earlier on, it would have provoked the same reaction as the whole Buffy/Angel thing: "Hah! You moron! Of course you don't love him! You're still in love with Riley!"
...okay, not Riley.
But you get the point.
Whereas, by having Buffy not say anything, over and over, until the very last episode, the writers ensured that I would keep shipping Buffy/Spike pretty much forever.
Clever, clever writers.
Questions? Comments?
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Date: 2009-01-21 10:02 pm (UTC)Or the one where she was on the ship all alone, dying, and he came to her...ahh, that was so sweet.
And there were the sad ones with alternateSam, where he'd died in her reality and she couldn't face him. Argh. Shades of John'n'Aeryn. :-(
(Although, gotta say, Sam married to Rodney? Was kind of awesome.)
I loved that! It was so unexpected, and kinda sad, but...yeah, it worked. It really did. Sigh. Poor guy.
O.O
Really? When? What happened? I want details, dammit!
Hah. Gotta wait til you've gotten to that disc...shall I bring Atlantis 1-4 with me next week, along with the SG movies?
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Date: 2009-01-21 10:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-21 10:09 pm (UTC)Or the one where she was on the ship all alone, dying, and he came to her...ahh, that was so sweet.
*nods* Loved that. (Although, pretty much any episode where Jack and Sam got to kiss was going to be loved by me...)
Shades of John'n'Aeryn.
Just like all good tv relationships...
Hah. Gotta wait til you've gotten to that disc...
Ack! You can't do that to me!
shall I bring Atlantis 1-4 with me next week, along with the SG movies?
Not yet. I'm frantically trying to finish all the dvds I actually own (there are at least ten I'm halfway through).
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Date: 2009-01-21 10:14 pm (UTC)Well yes, I can do that to you. Or i could bring that disc (if I can remember which one it was ;-) ) and show you that deleted scene...
Maawww.....fine then. Who knows when you'll get to see Atlantis then?
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Date: 2009-01-21 10:35 pm (UTC)Ohhh... now you're making me really want to see it at once. Stop that!
(*is still halfway through Lois&Clark, The X-Files season 1, My Name Is Earl, My Family, Animated Spiderman, Fry&Laurie, The Muppet Show, Avatar, Mad About You, and Xena ...among others*)
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Date: 2009-01-21 10:40 pm (UTC)Ah, I used to love Lois&Clark!
Good thing about shows you own is....they ain't going anywhere.
So leave them and come join the 'lantians for a spell.
*tempts* We have Rodneeeeey....